Board Behavior

[Don Murphy]

The idea here is to have fans have a venue to try at least to communicate their thoughts with the filmmakers. We want to respect the fans and the property while attracting millions more people who want to just see a fun film.

As such, the guy who is telling you how to behave on the board- he doesn't do it with my permission.

Wonkimus Prime who is easlity upset with post after post? He doesn't work for me.

Those two guys from Seibertron creaming each other- Redstreak and Raymond T? That's their thing, not mine.

I believe in every person's God given right to make an asshole of themselves. If you want to do it here, fine. We just won't read your shit. And everyone else will see you are a jerk. No matter.

The forum is to allow communication between the people making the film and the fans.

I won't post on here often- I'm busy.

But we don't look at the lame IMDB board- we don't believe anything Harry Knowles and his team say- and we don't know what the hell a CHUD is.

Behave as if you were in my office. Show my board the respect I am trying to show you.

And if not- fine. It's just an extra click to skip your nonsense.

[dswriter]

That sums it up pretty much.

[shockwave2u]

SHABAM!

I LOVE THIS GUY! DON, YOU ARE MAN OF THE PEOPLE...FOR THE PEOPLE. DON MURPHY FOR FUCKIN' PRESIDENT!

[Wonkimus_Major]

Hi Don, I'm sorry if I get a little emotional at times. It's primarily the "This movie must be exactly like the old cartoon" people who get on my nerves. I'm just hoping this film can be the best it can be. But if you don't appreciate my comments just let me know.

[PowermasterJazz]

It is weird that some guys on here act like they're moderators.

[Don Murphy]

Originally posted by Wonkimus_Major
Hi Don, I'm sorry if I get a little emotional at times. It's primarily the "This movie must be exactly like the old cartoon" people who get on my nerves. I'm just hoping this film can be the best it can be. But if you don't appreciate my comments just let me know.


Read closer- I DO appreciate your comments. Very much.

Every time you complain about a post I get an email. I don't like getting those emails. That's all.

[Erazmus]

Granted, these are your boards and you are giving us a great avenue to speak our minds so that you can hear what the fans want. Just as a theory of sorts, what are the chances of seeing a moderator, other than yourself, on the forums locking threads and such? I don't care if this is one of your friends or someone on the boards themselves, I'm just curious what the chances of that happening are? The reason I ask is because I get sick of sifting through all the shit threads reading the same nonsense over and over, I imagine you do too. Or perhaps moderation isn't that big of a deal? Dunno, just thought I'd throw this question out to you.

[octane]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
The forum is to allow communication between the people making the film and the fans.

Behave as if you were in my office. Show my board the respect I am trying to show you.



Thank you.


and also ...

But we don't look at the lame IMDB board- we don't believe anything Harry Knowles and his team say- and we don't know what the hell a CHUD is

:D

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
The idea here is to have fans have a venue to try at least to communicate their thoughts with the filmmakers. We want to respect the fans and the property while attracting millions more people who want to just see a fun film.

As such, the guy who is telling you how to behave on the board- he doesn't do it with my permission.

Wonkimus Prime who is easlity upset with post after post? He doesn't work for me.

Those two guys from Seibertron creaming each other- Redstreak and Raymond T? That's their thing, not mine.

I believe in every person's God given right to make an asshole of themselves. If you want to do it here, fine. We just won't read your shit. And everyone else will see you are a jerk. No matter.

The forum is to allow communication between the people making the film and the fans.

I won't post on here often- I'm busy.

But we don't look at the lame IMDB board- we don't believe anything Harry Knowles and his team say- and we don't know what the hell a CHUD is.

Behave as if you were in my office. Show my board the respect I am trying to show you.

And if not- fine. It's just an extra click to skip your nonsense. I happen to agree wholeheartedly

I like to take this opportunity to sencerly apologize for the posts made by both myself and Redstreak. I have no desire to speak for him, but the incident turned out into something far more than was ever necesary, for which we should both take responsibility.

Although I did try my best to keep the thread on topic, I should have left his ramblings for what they were and not have responded to them. It turned into poor showmanship and an ugly representation for both this board as well as for the Energon pub from Seibertron.com. Similar behaviour is also not tolerated there, so we both should have left it behind us from the start.

It is true that we have had our troubles on Seibertron (him as moderator and myself as regular poster) over several issues there! But that should not have been brought over here, no matter how personal the issues were, or how hurt I was over the comments he made towards me overthere.

I have been a member of this board since several days before Hasbro made it official that Don Murphy and Tom DeSanto would produce the Transformers movie, which was in June of last year. (around 20th I joined, around the 25th it was made official) I have always tried my best to post here the things that could be beneficial for the movie and/or board, and drop a joke here and there to keep the mood elevated.

When we started posting here, I played a small part, together with Hans B. (my pal in real life), Cyrenn, Blacknife, Crow T., teaspoon and a few others to convince people of this site to include a seperate Transformers forum on this board so that we didn't have to keep posting on the LXG forum. I have always held it in the highest regard that you took the time to listen to us and give us our Transformers forum.

Since that day, I will admit that I have grown somewhat protective over this forum. I really have great respect for people who would allow us a look into the process of making this movie (aside from the fact that I really love all things TV and movies, especially the workings behind making a project) and allow us our own space to enjoy it here. That is the reason why on several occasions in the past I have been known to call certain people to order if posts are starting to get out of hand. Not to tell other people how to behave here, but I do not want to risk the possibility that someone might decide to close the Transformers forum. And just to remind people that this isn't a fanbased site but it supposed to be the Official Don Murphy site/board. We are over here at Don Murphy's grace, and we should respect that.

I really have no desire to become a board moderator here (or even on Seibertron), even if other people keep asking me to try and become one. I have my own board on my own 80's site to worry about, and there it is only because there are no other people to do the job. The only reason I would have ever considered becoming a mod here, is if it would have been beneficial for Don Murphy, the movie and Seibertron's News Page (where I am part of the News Crew). But in light of recent events, I wouldn't be surprised if a similar suggestion would be laughed at, both hands down.

I love Transformers. I have been waiting for a real life movie of it for 20 years. I grew up on it in the 80's. Even when everyone laughed at Transformers and everyone considered to be a dead product in the 90's, I remained a true fan. Everyone who knows me, know that the T. in my screen/stage name stands for Transformers. I go at length to do nothing but promote the Transformers brand to people, when the opportunity arises.

My offer to consult on the movie, is still open. There are few with more knowledge of characters, backstory, figures (both the well-known and the lesser known), stories (both cartoon aswell as comics) as myself. Whatever I don't know, I have the means to find out.
This is not a push that you should make use of anything I might have to say. It's just an offer that has been put on the table and has been open since I joined this board. It is an offer to which anyone is free to call upon, should the need arise. It really does sadden me to think that this one incident could have possibly hurt that option or my credibility.

I won't make this post much longer than it already is. I will once again apologize for the incident that occured. I have been accused of being emotional from time to time. The truth of the matter is, that I don't try to hide anything from anyone. I write my two cents and am not afraid to share that as long as it doesn't hurt others. The problem with that is that writing your say as an open book, is viewed differently by people who read hidden meanings in things while there are none to find. On that note

I offer my sencerest apology to the Posters here, The people of this board/site, even to Redstreak should he really believe I called him out. I apologize for the incident on the thread and even for the length of this post.

But most importaintly,

I am sorry Don Murphy.

Redstreak's and my baggage stepped on your hospitality, which was never my intend. I made the wrong decision in responding and I am truely sorry for that.

I have the utmost respect for you and hope you won't think any less of me in the future because of this.

[Wonkimus_Major]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
Read closer- I DO appreciate your comments. Very much.

Every time you complain about a post I get an email. I don't like getting those emails. That's all.

Ahhh....I hear ya. No prob. I'll control my trigger finger with the "report to administrator" button! For some reason I thought you were pissed of about the sarcastic comments I make on the board from time to time, usually to the ones who insult me or say they'll kill a kitten if Soundwave isn't a 1980's tape deck.

BTW thanks for clearing everying up with the IMDB board nonsense.

[SAJse]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
The idea here is to have fans have a venue to try at least to communicate their thoughts with the filmmakers. We want to respect the fans and the property while attracting millions more people who want to just see a fun film.

As such, the guy who is telling you how to behave on the board- he doesn't do it with my permission.

Wonkimus Prime who is easlity upset with post after post? He doesn't work for me.

Those two guys from Seibertron creaming each other- Redstreak and Raymond T? That's their thing, not mine.

I believe in every person's God given right to make an asshole of themselves. If you want to do it here, fine. We just won't read your shit. And everyone else will see you are a jerk. No matter.

The forum is to allow communication between the people making the film and the fans.

I won't post on here often- I'm busy.

But we don't look at the lame IMDB board- we don't believe anything Harry Knowles and his team say- and we don't know what the hell a CHUD is.

Behave as if you were in my office. Show my board the respect I am trying to show you.

And if not- fine. It's just an extra click to skip your nonsense.
sppower was offering advice to those people who constantly spam the boards with crap, replica topics, and plain bile. I think that was a good thing, and why the "introduce yourself" thread was deleted is beyond me. I think it was a great opportunity for us to learn something about other users, since this is an international board afterall. It would also cut down on spam to a lesser degree.

The fact that you single out Wonky saddens me, because the Tom Desanto rumour is now quashed (unless this is friendly banter between co-producers). ;)

Raymond, don't beat yourself. It wasn't that bad and let's face it, you couldn't have picked a better thread to help ruin. Actually, looking back I think I may have started it (fuel to the fire and all that). I think Shockwave2u has a friggin cheek trying to act like a sensible user. ;)

I get that people should be able to make an asshole of themselves, because we can point and laugh. You may or may not remember the LXG forum "incident" that I had the pleasure of being the star asshole attraction in (many posts deleted). I just wish the thread would be deleted if the asshole is the thread starter, because there are just too many of them. I single out Blippertron as the completest of asswipes. You know it to be true.

What the hell's a CHUD :confused: ?! Is it this (http://www.chud.com/)? If it is, I hate it already because I'm getting pop-up after pop-up. :mad:
Originally posted by PowermasterJazz
It is weird that some guys on here act like they're moderators.
Well you don't visit here very often so I doubt you understand the situation. ;)

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by SAJse
Raymond, don't beat yourself. It wasn't that bad and let's face it, you couldn't have picked a better thread to help ruin. Actually, looking back I think I may have started it (fuel to the fire and all that). I think Shockwave2u has a friggin cheek trying to act like a sensible user. ;) I would have much rather not have ruined ANY thread! There is nothing more I would like to be than a constructive poster here on the board and if possible be an asset for the movie (as I really want this one to work and hope it really does exceed my imagination). I pride myself on being a knowledgeable Transformers fan, that can give the facts of all things Transformers on the drop of a hat. Not as someone who is partly at the cause for Don Murphy to start a thread on ill behaviour.

Also we are both linked with Seibertron. I can't imagine myself being associated with any other Transformers site. The guy who runs that site is trying to present the best Transformers Fan site out there. It is a poor reflection on him, if two of his best known posters start causing trouble elsewhere. And that is just something that does not sit well with me. This may be 'the internet', but the internet is still people. It's not a free ticket to start spewing at each other, which is something I did get sucked into.

Thankfully, I can say that each bad incident is outweighed by the friends I have gained over the net and over the world. And that is importaint to me too. Over the course of my stay here, I have found that with some posters there is room to have fun. I consider you a friend SAJse. I really appreciate that.

Yeah-yeah, I'll stop being mushy now... -_-'

[megs4ever]

Raymond after reading the post that were made between you and Redstreak, it's obvious you tried to steer clear of any conflict. I think the reason you got sucked in was to make a point to Redstreak. Don't bring Seibertron.com's problems here! In doing so you got sucked in and singled out by DM. With that said you should not beat yourself up as i think everyone here has respect for you.

posted by SAJse: I just wish the thread would be deleted if the asshole is the thread starter, because there are just too many of them. I single out Blippertron as the completest of asswipes. You know it to be true.
Agree! Blippertron what a wipe!

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
The idea here is to have fans have a venue to try at least to communicate their thoughts with the filmmakers. We want to respect the fans and the property while attracting millions more people who want to just see a fun film.

As such, the guy who is telling you how to behave on the board- he doesn't do it with my permission.

Wonkimus Prime who is easlity upset with post after post? He doesn't work for me.

Those two guys from Seibertron creaming each other- Redstreak and Raymond T? That's their thing, not mine.

I believe in every person's God given right to make an asshole of themselves. If you want to do it here, fine. We just won't read your shit. And everyone else will see you are a jerk. No matter.

The forum is to allow communication between the people making the film and the fans.

I won't post on here often- I'm busy.

But we don't look at the lame IMDB board- we don't believe anything Harry Knowles and his team say- and we don't know what the hell a CHUD is.

Behave as if you were in my office. Show my board the respect I am trying to show you.

And if not- fine. It's just an extra click to skip your nonsense.

where sorry Don.

[ks68]

I have no problem whatsoever with what Don had to say.

If anyone, such as Blippertron, wants to make a total asshole out of themselves, then let them. I'll simply sit back by my computer and laugh my ass off.

Raymond, nearly everyone knows that you're one of the good guys. Don't be too hard on yourself.

SAJse, I agree with you about sppower. He truly meant well. Again, if anyone want to make an asshole out of themselves, just let them. We just won't respond to their threads and postings at all. At the same time, we can all laugh our asses off at them.

Wonky, just like Raymond, you're one of the good guys. The same goes for sppower, SAJse, slang73, dswriter, boxerperson, Niymeh, JIN, MechaDoom, and a whole bunch of other folks on this forum.

As far as I'm concerned, I'll still keep an open mind to ideas presented on this forum and make constructive posts and threads.

[Raymond T.]

Thanks for your support guys, but it does take two to tango. So I do take responsibility that it happened at all in the first place. As I said, I made the wrong decisions, although at the time I was trying to make the right ones, and stepped on Don Murphy's kindness to give us this forum (as well as dragging the name of seibertron through this, a place I consider to be my home on the net). But I have apologized for that, and just hope Don Murphy can except that.

I have further more dropped the issue and chalked it up to a learning experiance. Yes, we have issues with each other, but this is not the place to even hint at that. I will make it my best effort to not let this repeat itself on this board or continue to drag the issue any further.

[Redstreak]

Don, I never came into this with any desire to draw attention to myself or be involved in a stupid flame war. I never wanted to bring any sour feelings over here, but I felt that I had to defend myself from what was being said.

I apologize to you if I caused any unwanted grief your way, because believe me I did not come here for any of this drama. But I allowed old grudges to draw me into that world again, as I'm the kind of guy who won't let my name be trampled on without fighting back.

But Raymond, question; if you were the one writing the long posts, and I was the one who wrote the short ones...how does that make me the one who's rambling? I always associate rambling with things that go on a good while. :confused:

Aside from that, well for the second time in a week I find myself agreeing with Raymond's posts. I am a Transfan from the old school, who has been writing his own TF stories since 1986, and my own original novels since 1989, and the "RPG Guru" for online TF gaming, and those are the things I want to continue to be known for. Not this, never this.

So I will reiterate once more; it was a joke, Raymond. I was having a dig on you. You were definitely not supposed to react that way to it. If this grudge is something you want to settle with me, then talk to me on Seibertron and we will see if it is at all possible to end this outright. I'm not saying we'll come back here holding hands and singing the happy happy song, but I think that if we both make effort enough to, we can post here, and there, without strife.

[sppower]

I would like to start out by apologizing for this misunderstanding we seem to have had. The people who had agreed with me about some threads that could be read by new people and I meant well. We never meant to undermine your authority. I don't think that we did.

I was trying to make your job easier by helping to cut down on the spam, there by making real ideas more visible, there by making people happier and more agreeable and productive, there by coming up with more goed ideas that you can easily see.

I wasn't trying to act like I work for you. If you noticed, sometimes I even remind people that there are reasons why they can't get thier way, your opinion (as you have the final say and none of us work for you) being one of them.

Friendly large text:
I wasn't trying to be a moderator, I was trying to be a mediator.

I was trying to resolve conflicts and help us work together from a position of someone who has no real power here (as I've said before) and just using the power I had, which was helping people work through their issues. Everyone here also has that power and I would recommend using it. You don't need to be a moderator to help people settle down.

As for my "Please, please read this before posting on the board." thread, that was meant with the best of intentions. If you here (http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=929) you'll see that the topic sentence is "Let me be the first to welcome you to the board." That implies that this is meant to be the first thing that you read when you join the board and all the problems of the board will be brought to your attention without having to experience them. During the time that that thread was a sticky, we had a maybe 15 new people and all of them were behaving quite well. It's like 3 minute job training (none of us work for you:D ).

I'm sorry if I was hindering your ability to do your job or if I offended you in any way. I just figured that you would have an easier time (i.e. not having to sift through 1000 pages of crap) and everyone else would be happier because we wouldn't have to deal with it either.

I believe Wonkimus is one of the good guys and if he ever let himself get a little emotional then it was probably justified, although he always had the option to let it go and not say anything. It's very hard to resist sometimes. These spammers litterally invite it upon themselves.:D

If people want to make an asshole out themselves, then fine, it's just that it might hinder your ability to hear me or another poster who has good ideas, so I tried to help people to realise what leads to making an asshole out of themselves before they even start.

I understand that you are busy. I'm sorry about ressurrecting that old we want an update thread, it's just that our conversations were going in circles and there is the possibility that you have already resolved some of the issues we're talking about. When you have time, an update on what we've been discussing here would be nice, but I'm not going to request any like that again.

That was a good move with the IMDB thing. I just wish you hadn't unstickied my thread, where I was only trying to prepare people for what they might face ahead. It stopped the new people spam problem before it started although yours did that too by cutting off the new people. Two solutions to the same problem although yours was a bit more final.

I'm, really sorry for anything happened that I didn't realize I was doing. I thought I was on your side with all this, but apparently I was just being annoying. I hope you will take my ideas just as seriously as you did before (If you ever did:D ) Again, sorry.

[shadowdancer]

I agree with Don.We are trying to give constructive imput on the movie.So we might give Don a few ideas as well as not so good ideas.Don can see what comments we all make,"old trans fans and new".We may all disagree on something but Don may like it !.I have had a word with a few people about the film," NON TRANS FANS " at work 9 out of 10 new what i was talking about.This is good news.

[Don Murphy]

Originally posted by shadowdancer
I agree with Don.We are trying to give constructive imput on the movie.So we might give Don a few ideas as well as not so good ideas.Don can see what comments we all make,"old trans fans and new".We may all disagree on something but Don may like it !.I have had a word with a few people about the film," NON TRANS FANS " at work 9 out of 10 new what i was talking about.This is good news.

There were no need for apologies but they are graciously accepted.

The point simply was- I either let everyone speak their minds- short of actionable threats- or I have to censor and monitor. I choose free speech, and ask people to act politely if they can. I don't want to moderate.

And as for the guy who accused me of not visiting- EAT ME. I visit and read EVERYTHING.

I just don't post all the time. Because as yet there is nothing CONCRETE to post.

But soon......

[sppower]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
There were no need for apologies but they are graciously accepted.

The point simply was- I either let everyone speak their minds- short of actionable threats- or I have to censor and monitor. I choose free speech, and ask people to act politely if they can. I don't want to moderate.

And as for the guy who accused me of not visiting- EAT ME. I visit and read EVERYTHING.

I just don't post all the time. Because as yet there is nothing CONCRETE to post.

But soon......

Right, I agree that everyone should speak their minds. The thread I made was meant to remind people when they first arrive to be polite. That's all. Was I the guy who accused you of not visiting? I'm just worried that I actually did do something wrong.:(

[Kevinm1278]

I know that you will do your damndest to make this movie the best it can be. I gave it alot of thought, and I agree that it's a good idea to not just make this movie a rehash of the cartoon or comics. I support whatever direction it is you decide to take with this film. (Even if you include Hot Rod, heh heh) Thanks, Don, for clearing things up... It's ok to call ya Don, right? If not let me know. I know how annoyed I get when people that don't know me personally call me "Kev"....

[Don Murphy]

Originally posted by Kevinm1278
I know that you will do your damndest to make this movie the best it can be. I gave it alot of thought, and I agree that it's a good idea to not just make this movie a rehash of the cartoon or comics. I support whatever direction it is you decide to take with this film. Thanks, Don, for clearing things up... It's ok to call ya Don, right? If not let me know. I know how annoyed I get when people that don't know me personally call me "Kev"....


Don's my name... I'm just like you.

[shadowdancer]

Well it is nice to know that Don is there.I thought a fair deal about Transformers,but it is hard trying to come up with new ideas.The job ahead will be intresting and hard,I hope you will have a team you can count on.

[SAJse]

I think there's a difference between active mods and a couple of threads to cut down on spam. We can expect people to act in a reasonable way, but if they're not aware of general MB etiquette before hand, then they don't really have to take responsibility for their own actions (in their eyes).

This way censorship isn't happening, but they atleast know the score before posting new threads.

[sppower]

Originally posted by SAJse
I think there's a difference between active mods and a couple of threads to cut down on spam. We can expect people to act in a reasonable way, but if they're not aware of general MB etiquette before hand, then they don't really have to take responsibility for their own actions (in their eyes).

This way censorship isn't happening, but they atleast know the score before posting new threads.

Right. Our threads were just friendly reminders.

[SAJse]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
And as for the guy who accused me of not visiting- EAT ME. I visit and read EVERYTHING.
If you're referring to my first page post, I was speaking to Powermasterjazz. I don't see anyone else who mad a similar comment.

[sppower]

Originally posted by SAJse
If you're referring to my first page post, I was speaking to Powermasterjazz. I don't see anyone else who mad a similar comment.

that or was it this?

Origianlly posted by...*gulp*... me
I'd imagine that something new has happened in August. Are we doing all the work? Are they just sittin there drinkin' Jack Daniels? I wouldn't think so as this movie is due in 2006. We need an update! :D

I didn't actually mean that if you took that seriously. I used that joke in a PM to SAJse and thought it sounded funny enough for the update thread.

Whichever way, I think it was a misunderstanding.

[yamis]

i have a personal question for don:
a lot of us on here have good ideas, sketches, plots, etc for this movie. are you influenced at all by these? or is there a team of people working on concepts and designs?
i know ive asked this before, and others on here have said things, but i want an answer from the top
thanks

[Don Murphy]

the answer is both
we listen
and we have a team

[yamis]

aha!
cool, thanks for clearing that up for me

[Salt_Shaker]

actually his eat me comment is probably directed towards myself or fire star. i tend to seem pessimistic at times...:eek: or just bitter;)

[slang73]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
the answer is both
we listen
and we have a team

That's cool!

Just curious...

Is there any possibility that at some point you will share with us what and who's ideas have had any level of influence on some facet of the creative process behind this movie?

I'm just thinking that if as a whole, we hear from you what general direction the story and/or characters are being developed, we might be able to more effectively share and evolve new ideas with you. Not to suggest you spill all the beans to us, but rather selectively discuss with all of us some of the basics on the various aspects of this project in order to better serve your team from this side of things.

Thanks again for discussing things with us when you have the time!

[sppower]

Originally posted by slang73
That's cool!

Just curious...

Is there any possibility that at some point you will share with us what and who's ideas have had any level of influence on some facet of the creative process behind this movie?

I'm just thinking that if as a whole, we hear from you what general direction the story and/or characters are being developed, we might be able to more effectively share and evolve new ideas with you. Not to suggest you spill all the beans to us, but rather selectively discuss with all of us some of the basics on the various aspects of this project in order to better serve your team from this side of things.

Thanks again for discussing things with us when you have the time!

Sounds great! When you have time of course...

[Wonkimus_Major]

For the record, Don was pissed at me because I used the "report to moderator" button a few too many times when I saw posts that annoyed me.

I misunderstood--I'm a writer (in addition to the bank stuff) and I've heard agents and publishers say "this doesn't work for me" many times, so I thought Don didn't like my ideas.

Everything's all good now. It's all cleared up!

[dswriter]

Originally posted by slang73
That's cool!

Just curious...

Is there any possibility that at some point you will share with us what and who's ideas have had any level of influence on some facet of the creative process behind this movie?

I'm just thinking that if as a whole, we hear from you what general direction the story and/or characters are being developed, we might be able to more effectively share and evolve new ideas with you. Not to suggest you spill all the beans to us, but rather selectively discuss with all of us some of the basics on the various aspects of this project in order to better serve your team from this side of things.

Thanks again for discussing things with us when you have the time!

You'll have to wait till the movie comes out to see which ideas were "inspired" by us.

[slang73]

Originally posted by dswriter
You'll have to wait till the movie comes out to see which ideas were "inspired" by us.

Thanks for your perspective dswriter, but my question was directed at Don Murphy. I'd like his response to my question whenever he has time. If he says I have to wait, that's just fine by me, but I'd like for him to give me the answer.

[OptimusTOM]

this is the problem w/ internet chat board people. Many of them are respectful and mature, but it usually just turns into pointless bickering. That's why I decided to get a life and leave TF boards.

You have a HUGE fanbase for Transformers mr. murphy, but unfortunatley they can also be a big bunch of babies at times. Let's act like adults and not make this guy sorry he lets us have such close contact w/ the filmmakers of this film.

[Blacknife]

I do apologize if I stepped on any perceived "toes" as it were with my own "suggestions" thread.

It wasn't my intent to override the ultimate authority.

[Blacknife]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
I believe in every person's God given right to make an asshole of themselves. If you want to do it here, fine. We just won't read your shit. And everyone else will see you are a jerk. No matter.

Behave as if you were in my office. Show my board the respect I am trying to show you.

And if not- fine. It's just an extra click to skip your nonsense.

Works for me.

To pull a cliche...

Enough said.

[Nevur]

Its nice to see that not everyone here has become such an ass kisser.

[Salt_Shaker]

:) and just as good to see sarcasm factors have fgallen to acceptable levels. yep, most are brown nosers fore sure... they couldn't possibly be truly sorry for their immaturity.;)

[BigBagofHate]

Thanks for clearing the air, Don. Much appreciated. :)

[Devastator]

Originally posted by Bigbagofhate
Thanks for clearing the air, Don. Much appreciated.
For someone named bigbagofhate, that was pretty friendly! :) god i'm such an ass sometimes.

[BigBagofHate]

Originally posted by Devastator
For someone named bigbagofhate, that was pretty friendly! :) god i'm such an ass sometimes.

I save my hate for those that deserve it. :D

[bassbot]

yeah great to hear so much from you Don, is such a short time!
thanks for your understanding! and belief in this board.

[SAJse]

Don - Any chance of creating subforums, such as:

Characters
Soundtrack
Story
General (by this I mean "Movie Related")

Or would this slow down yours and the admins ability to see all posts?

[The Diesel]

Bwuhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!
Don YOU ARE THE MAN!!!
I love it! Thanks again for this board.

[The Diesel]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
The idea here is to have fans have a venue to try at least to communicate their thoughts with the filmmakers. We want to respect the fans and the property while attracting millions more people who want to just see a fun film.

As such, the guy who is telling you how to behave on the board- he doesn't do it with my permission.

Wonkimus Prime who is easlity upset with post after post? He doesn't work for me.

Those two guys from Seibertron creaming each other- Redstreak and Raymond T? That's their thing, not mine.

I believe in every person's God given right to make an asshole of themselves. If you want to do it here, fine. We just won't read your shit. And everyone else will see you are a jerk. No matter.

The forum is to allow communication between the people making the film and the fans.

I won't post on here often- I'm busy.

But we don't look at the lame IMDB board- we don't believe anything Harry Knowles and his team say- and we don't know what the hell a CHUD is.

Behave as if you were in my office. Show my board the respect I am trying to show you.

And if not- fine. It's just an extra click to skip your nonsense.

I have to say it one more time, bwuhahahahahah! That post trips me out!

[The Diesel]

Originally posted by Nevur
Its nice to see that not everyone here has become such an ass kisser.
You know, some people are really grateful for this board. Not everyone says nice things to kiss ass. Some people say nice things because they are nice.

[teaspoon]

The bitter irony of all this is that, it is now chic to proclaim that we're not ass-kissers or we applaud Don for his post. When it all boils down to courtesy & just a little common sense.

This IS his website, last time i checked.

I'm just thankful that i get the chance to throw my ideas out there because right now, that's as close as my creative outlet is to being exposed to the masses. Not that it really matters, but i'd be honored... fuck it, i am honored that i get to be part of the creative process.

[slang73]

Besides Don Murphy, who without him I would be Blurr on mute, I'd also like to thank the Academy, my Mom and Dad, my cousin Vinny whose name isn't Vinny but I'll call him that just because I love Joe Pesci, my computer....uhhh....God, I know I'm forgetting somebody....ah, screw it! If I forgot anybody, I'll take you to Starbucks!

:D

[The Diesel]

Originally posted by teaspoon
The bitter irony of all this is that, it is now chic to proclaim that we're not ass-kissers or we applaud Don for his post. When it all boils down to courtesy & just a little common sense.

This IS his website, last time i checked.

I'm just thankful that i get the chance to throw my ideas out there because right now, that's as close as my creative outlet is to being exposed to the masses. Not that it really matters, but i'd be honored... fuck it, i am honored that i get to be part of the creative process.

Amen, brother....Amen.

[Hot Rod]

Originally posted by OptimusTOM
this is the problem w/ internet chat board people. Many of them are respectful and mature, but it usually just turns into pointless bickering. That's why I decided to get a life and leave TF boards.

You have a HUGE fanbase for Transformers mr. murphy, but unfortunatley they can also be a big bunch of babies at times. Let's act like adults and not make this guy sorry he lets us have such close contact w/ the filmmakers of this film.

I agree. Wich is why I'm not online much any more either. I was also worried that this bickering would be a turn off and an annoyance to the the makers of this film such as Don. His post is kind of reasuring in my view, that it's really not that big of a deal.

Don I just want to say thank you for taking the time to communicate with us your stand point. I was one of those who were worried about the spamming and the non sense and bickering interfearing with what ever it was you are hoping to get out of us from this board. So you taking the time to let us know what YOU expect on YOUR board, and how YOU operate with it is a great thing because it lets us know what way to conduct our posts so we can be more constructive to the process.

At least now those with concerns like that can rest assure that you are not phased by it.

The bottom line is most of us just want to bring something to the table here for you and by you communicating what you expect from us, it helps alot. So thanks for taking the time to communicate. I hope you'll do it more often if you can.

So how do you keep up with all the clutter on this board? Do you have a team of people reading the boards and jotting down things or something?

[boxerperson]

HAHA! This is exactly what the board needed. People here get so worked up about things. Don, you are the man!


That said, some of that is probably aimed at me, since I've gotten sidetracked with that one guy, and have been complaining rather loudly that we need a couple moderators to cut down on the spam threads....

But hey, Don, you kick ass. Very very cool to see a high up guy like you come down and tell people to quit bein immature little bastards. I'll try :D

[SAJse]

I think this threads just went "off topic". ;) :rolleyes:

[boxerperson]

Danbei....what in the name of god are you even talking about?

Quit complaining and offer some constructive ideas. This movie is not going to be some cartoony armada knock off from hell. The way Don has talked about it and shown interest in us, the fans, proves that.

There are some changes that HAVE to be made....even HASBRO, the company who owns the license, wants these changes....nobody has a say in that. If hasbro wants to include some characters that have come along since the original G1 line of toys...that's their right. If Don wants to, that's HIS right. He's payed far too much money for the rights to the license to not have some creative freedom and say in what goes into the film. That's his job.

So, get used to the idea of Megatron not being a gun, Soundwave not being a tape-deck, and the possible inclusion of a non-G1 character.

Just because it's a non-G1 character does not mean it's going to be some silly characterization like on Armada. That would stick out from the rest of the cast.....what will probably happen is we'll get a character NAMED the same as another one, from a different series...and a few personality traits the same, but everything else new. That's not so bad is it?

So, since we KNOW these things are going to happen, we should offer our ideas on how to make them cool...how to make them mesh with what we love about G1.

[Wonkimus_Major]

Originally posted by Danbei
Willy Wonka said to Don,he didn't want the movie being like the cartoon! So I gave my opinion towards the issue!

Look this movie is going to have a writer who will get everything going great no matter what is included. He's not going to just lift some random Armada character and stick him in the plot unchanged.

And yes, I don't want this movie to look like the cartoon. That doesn't mean inclusion of a ton of non-first season characters. It means making a movie with characters that the audience can identify with. It can't be cartoony or comic book-y; that's what could cause the film to fail in my opinion. They've got to be able to appeal to the largest audience possible--including the kids who lauged at us in Jr High for collecting Transformers!;)

[Blacknife]

Danbei, one problem with your desires.
Hollywood loves comic book movies, not cartoon movies. And, Don & Tom are going to constantly feed the press this fact, and they'll keep on plugging that fact as long as Hollywood loves comic book movies. Sure, they might mention the "rich mythos" but they'll be more apt to mention comic book because that = money to Hollywood.
I'm sure Don & Tom might find some ways to give nods to the cartoon, but derailing a thread probably doesn't help your cause.
And, nothing was stated about adding Armada universe, just a character whose not originally from the first G1 universes.

[boxerperson]

Originally posted by Wonkimus_Major
Look this movie is going to have a writer who will get everything going great no matter what is included. He's not going to just lift some random Armada character and stick him in the plot unchanged.

And yes, I don't want this movie to look like the cartoon. That doesn't mean inclusion of a ton of non-first season characters. It means making a movie with characters that the audience can identify with. It can't be cartoony or comic book-y; that's what could cause the film to fail in my opinion. They've got to be able to appeal to the largest audience possible--including the kids who lauged at us in Jr High for collecting Transformers!;)


There is no way i could agree with you more.

[The Diesel]

Originally posted by Danbei
Willy Wonka said to Don,he didn't want the movie being like the cartoon! So I gave my opinion towards the issue!
Willy Wonka?? Bwuhahhahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!
Damn that made me laugh.:cool:

[The Diesel]

Originally posted by Danbei
Yes I have given some creative ideas believe it or not! That I have posted on this website and other websites! And this guy Willy Wonkamus wants creatures from the Crypt like skull face Bludgeon to be in this flick. That skull jinxed Bludgeon would spell poison to this movie if he's included!!!!

I agree, keep that Pretender Bullshit out of this movie and any sequels. Pretenders came out as one of many last ditch efforts by Hasbro to save the Transformers line. Pretenders suck.

[Blacknife]

I'd say the effort worked, since you know Pretenders went past the first initial wave.
And, without a cartoon to support them.
Anyway, shall we put the discussion back on the correct track now?
One can always start another thread or pick up any others that discuss Bludgeon and Pretenders.

[Wonkimus_Major]

Originally posted by The Diesel
I agree, keep that Pretender Bullshit out of this movie and any sequels. Pretenders came out as one of many last ditch efforts by Hasbro to save the Transformers line. Pretenders suck.

Diesel and Danny Boy: If they decide to use Bludgeon in the movie, I don't want him to be a Pretender. I'd like a redesign, no Pretender shell. At most, he could have a skull-like face as a nod to the original design.

[yamis]

for some reason, everytime i read one of danbei's posts i imagine him standing on a soapbox in the middle of a crowded street.

Danbei: have you ever heard of adapting a story? its not hard to believe that the recent spiderman and x-men movies were a hit, everyone said so. ever see the original spiderman movie? it was horrible! partially because it was a frame by frame comic book on screen. also, it was from the 70s, so effects were basically nonexistent.

in order to make a film work, it has to appeal to the widest range of the audience. this includes adapting a story and characters to see what works.

it it were to be a true, to-the-letter g1 film, it may include characters like huffer and gears, who didnt do much more than bitch and moan. many people on this board said they'd be interested to see a tidal wave character (could be like a decepticon omega supreme, ever think of it that way?) as long as he was ADAPTED to the story.

no one else seems to have gotten through to you yet, i hope tis brings some light into your eyes. and get off that damn soapbox already!

[COR]

Originally posted by OptimusTOM
this is the problem w/ internet chat board people. Many of them are respectful and mature, but it usually just turns into pointless bickering. That's why I decided to get a life and leave TF boards.

You have a HUGE fanbase for Transformers mr. murphy, but unfortunatley they can also be a big bunch of babies at times. Let's act like adults and not make this guy sorry he lets us have such close contact w/ the filmmakers of this film.

Agreed. I stopped posting on these boards for the last couple months for the same reason.

[megs4ever]

Originally posted by optimus Tom this is the problem w/ internet chat board people. Many of them are respectful and mature, but it usually just turns into pointless bickering. That's why I decided to get a life and leave TF boards.



Originally posted by Cor Agreed. I stopped posting on these boards for the last couple months for the same reason.

You know what?! There is truth in what optimus Tom says. There is alot of bickering. Most of it is in good fun though. Cor, to support his statement by saying you & tom stopped posting states there is no creativety on this board! There are alot of good ideas HERE! Yes there are some nutty threads and post, but there is also alot posted that can add to the movie. There are many passionate fans on this board which is why it is so active. Sajse, RT, Salt Shaker, Wonkimus, Slang73, Soundwave, Blacknife, Sermon, Sppower, Crow t Autobot, Ds writer, Boxerperson and so many more add potential value to this movie. No i didn't forget you Yamis, Illvox and Kiddstretch just had to stop somewhere. So Cor & optimus Tom if you only want to focus on the bickering and not the creativety on this board, I guess you guy's Edit : really missing out.
P.S We all love danbie.........."Stop bickering" meg's says to danbie followed by a slap to the face. Tears running down his face danbie say's "I'm sorry!"

[sppower]

Originally posted by yamis

Danbei: have you ever heard of adapting a story? its not hard to believe that the recent spiderman and x-men movies were a hit, everyone said so. ever see the original spiderman movie? it was horrible! partially because it was a frame by frame comic book on screen. also, it was from the 70s, so effects were basically nonexistent.


You forgot the 18 "!"s that are supposed to place randomly throughout the entire thing. I've only seen Danbei use a ? once. Nothing else. Everything ends and begins and partially consists !s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

[JIN]

Originally posted by Danbei
The concept originally came from the G1 cartoon. Not the comics! I've read the comics ,and I think they are lame! The comics would never hold the candle to the G1 cartoon! Thats for sure!

*sigh* I actually have to agree with Danbei here (gee, that's a first:rolleyes: ). I greatly preferred the cartoon over the comics. There are some comic qualities that I think should replace some cartoon qualities (like Grimlock's personality), but those are relatively few... I hated the Swarm in the comics, and the TFs splitting, and Shockwave beating Megs so easily, etc... :rolleyes: I love goin' off topic:D

[boxerperson]

The comics and the cartoon are about equal to eachother in terms of cornyness, plot holes, and that.


Of course, that is only if you pretend the third season of the G1 cartoon doesn't exist. It was all sorts of horrible....

[illvox2]

Originally posted by megs4ever
There are many passionate fans on this board which is why it is so active. Sajse, RT, Salt Shaker, Wonkimus, Slang73, Soundwave, Blacknife, Sermon, Sppower, Crow t Autobot, Ds writer, Boxerperson and so many more add potential value to this movie. No i didn't forget you Yamis, Illvox and Kiddstretch just had to stop somewhere. So Cor & optimus Tom if you only want to focus on the bickering and not the creativety on this board, I guess you guy's Edit : really missing out.
P.S We all love danbie.........."Stop bickering" meg's says to danbie followed by a slap to the face. Tears running down his face danbie say's "I'm sorry!" [/B]

that's actually Illvox2, Megs. Yeah, we all love *cough* Danbie *sneeze*... :p he's like our youngest brother...

[illvox2]

Originally posted by sppower
You forgot the 18 "!"s that are supposed to place randomly throughout the entire thing. I've only seen Danbei use a ? once. Nothing else. Everything ends and begins and partially consists !s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

i think maybe there's a wire short-circuited in Danbei's keyboard that has made his "." replaced with "!". If you guys just read Danbei's posts by replacing those "!" with ".", then they'll all be normal. I always do that...:cool:

[JIN]

Originally posted by boxerperson
The comics and the cartoon are about equal to eachother in terms of cornyness, plot holes, and that.


Of course, that is only if you pretend the third season of the G1 cartoon doesn't exist. It was all sorts of horrible....

Yeah, I see where you're coming from... I mostly dislike how the comics portray the TFs ORIGINS. Giant robots SPLIT to reproduce? Robots created by a god? Quintesson origin sounds so much more reasonable to me. I hope Don goes with the Quints... But I guess origins won't be mentioned until a sequel anyways:rolleyes: ...

[The Diesel]

Originally posted by JIN
Yeah, I see where you're coming from... I mostly dislike how the comics portray the TFs ORIGINS. Giant robots SPLIT to reproduce? Robots created by a god? Quintesson origin sounds so much more reasonable to me. I hope Don goes with the Quints... But I guess origins won't be mentioned until a sequel anyways:rolleyes: ...

Quintesson origin? I always thought that was one of the lamest things ever about the Transformers. If you say the Quintessons created them, you take out the whole Primus concept. I would go with the comic book storyline over the cartoon any day of the week. Hands down.

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by The Diesel
If you say the Quintessons created them, you take out the whole Primus concept. Well, that's the whole point! In the cartoons there was no Cybertronian god. In fact, the series even asked the question if there ARE any gods!

I never liked the idea of the Transformers having a god or religion. I did always like the writing of Simon Furman, but the idea to give Transformers a God to believe in is not one I really shared with him. It's a means to make Transformers more human, but they are NOT human! THAT is the thing most of us like about these Cybertronians. Trying to make them more like us is just a huge mistake. (Not that I believe in any god myself, but still...)

Of course the Mega-Mistake ever made in any universe was Beast Machines turning Transformers into these Trans-organice crap. And to top it off, make Cybertron organic in the end of it. Don't get me started about those ...ack-spit-patuwee... Sparks Larry DiTillio dreamed up for Beast Wars. He disliked the idea of Mechanical Intelligent lifeforms so much that he tried anything to make them into anything but robots! :mad:

[boxerperson]

Raymond, the reason for that is Hasbro believed the cartoon format to have a younger audience and did not think introducing any religious issues would be a good idea. Comic book readers are generally a little older and better able to distinguish reality from fantasy.

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by boxerperson
Raymond, the reason for that is Hasbro believed the cartoon format to have a younger audience and did not think introducing any religious issues would be a good idea. Comic book readers are generally a little older and better able to distinguish reality from fantasy. I don't know how to tell you this, but the series introduced very STRONG religious issues in the shape of The God Gambit! It very strongly posed the question if gods exist or not. For a 'simple saturday morning cartoon' it was unheard of to deal with such a topic. Especially back in the 80's!

Also the comics initially also did not asociate Transformers as being religious beings. In fact, Bob Budianski made sure to show their origins as mysterious as to how they were created, but that they were created in a manner similar to Earth's evolution, only in a very technological manner!

I don't even believe Hasbro took much notice if Marvel and/or Sunbow did or did not decide on giving their characters a religion and a god or not. Just as long as their guidelines were kept in tact.

[illvox2]

Last nite, i went to watch Alien vs Predator. There was something scary that happenned in the cinema, not in the movie.
U know the time when that gal (forgot her name) team up with the only-left Predator. The audience laughed at that scene like it was a comedy. Then, they laughed again when the Predators's leader (after giving her one of their weapon - this was nearly the end of the movie) quickly turned around (in style?!) and headed for their starship before gone!

Man, it would scare the hell out of me if when i think that would happen in a cinema where Transformers movie is running!! Please DON! Please make us (the fans) & them (the audience) in awe throughout the whole movie....

[slang73]

Originally posted by Raymond T.
Well, that's the whole point! In the cartoons there was no Cybertronian god. In fact, the series even asked the question if there ARE any gods!

I never liked the idea of the Transformers having a god or religion. I did always like the writing of Simon Furman, but the idea to give Transformers a God to believe in is not one I really shared with him. It's a means to make Transformers more human, but they are NOT human! THAT is the thing most of us like about these Cybertronians. Trying to make them more like us is just a huge mistake. (Not that I believe in any god myself, but still...)

Of course the Mega-Mistake ever made in any universe was Beast Machines turning Transformers into these Trans-organice crap. And to top it off, make Cybertron organic in the end of it. Don't get me started about those ...ack-spit-patuwee... Sparks Larry DiTillio dreamed up for Beast Wars. He disliked the idea of Mechanical Intelligent lifeforms so much that he tried anything to make them into anything but robots! :mad:

Interestingly enough, it has been the Transformers paradigm to mimic many facets of humans from the very beginning, long before Beast Wars and Beast Machines; just not in terms of technological versus organic.

G1 is not devoid of TF/human similarities. Their bodies, their faces, their expressions, emotions, personalities, dispositions, language, alt-modes, etc. Granted, the classic mythos explains the alt-mode modifications designated by Teletran-1 through repairs and it's more or less assumed that all of the other human characteristics were applied as such also. It's a rather convenient and an easy explanation at best, but regardless, there is no denying the similarities that even G1 had between technological, alien TF's and biological, organic, Earthly humans.

Oh yeah, and I know, it was just a cartoon and it was just a series of comic books based on a toyline...yadda yadda yadda. :)

No matter, the point I'm making is that the simiarities are far more obvious than the fundamental differences. It is within that spectrum of contradiction where the mythos is rather gray and left for broad interpretation. From the very beginning, the TF's mythos has been and will always be in some fashion or another, a paradox.

[Blacknife]

*edit* Started a new thread.

[GeO]

Originally posted by boxerperson
Raymond, the reason for that is Hasbro believed the cartoon format to have a younger audience and did not think introducing any religious issues would be a good idea. Comic book readers are generally a little older and better able to distinguish reality from fantasy.
(Off topic reply here but hell, if you can't beat 'em...join 'em:D)! Well, Primus has already made a physical appearance of sorts in the Energon cartoon (at least to Kicker) and the show sure doesn't seem any smarter or less cheesy to me! FYI The Autobots have also been talking about him recently having stumbled into some 'chamber of Primus' or something in the episode I saw 2 weeks ago.

I don't know, with the Quints about to appear in North American comics for the first time and Primus appearing in the cartoons for the first time maybe a hybrid would be the best way to go. I know Hasbro's making an Alpha-Quintesson toy before they're making a Primus toy (ha ha:p)so I wouldn't write off the Quintessons from Transformers just yet <insert evil chuckle here>;)!

GeO

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by slang73
Interestingly enough, it has been the Transformers paradigm to mimic many facets of humans from the very beginning, long before Beast Wars and Beast Machines; just not in terms of technological versus organic. Yes, but that was all about the Transformers' discovery of what it is to be human.

Let put it like this,.... I would much rather see Transformers developing their own religion after seeing the strength it gives (some) people, then have them have their own one with the whole Primes thing.

[boxerperson]

Yes, I know about the god gambit, but the episode was far into the run of the cartoon. Things had changed by then, quite a bit.

All I mean is that the cartoon was kept simpler (at first) than the comic. Once things started to go downhill, all kinds of storylines got tried, just to save it......

Which is exactly what I dislike......

[JIN]

Originally posted by Raymond T.
I never liked the idea of the Transformers having a god or religion. I did always like the writing of Simon Furman, but the idea to give Transformers a God to believe in is not one I really shared with him. It's a means to make Transformers more human, but they are NOT human! THAT is the thing most of us like about these Cybertronians. Trying to make them more like us is just a huge mistake. (Not that I believe in any god myself, but still...)

Of course the Mega-Mistake ever made in any universe was Beast Machines turning Transformers into these Trans-organice crap. And to top it off, make Cybertron organic in the end of it.

Arigato!!!:D I Totally agree!!!

[Wednesday]

The Autobot Matrix and the "Till All Are One" are mystical and zen enough that institutionalised religion of any form are unnecessary. Sure, some could worship Unicron and Primus if they want, for a little bit of variety. However an in-depth expose on Cybertronian religion should fall outside the scope of this movie. A few small references may be more than enough.

[boxerperson]

Danbei......


You are aware the original G1 DID fail right? As soon as they strayed away from real life alt-modes, earth settings, and serious storylines....











Just thought I would clear that up...

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by Danbei
Heck no! G1 was an instant hit! They're even planning to do a movie about it! Kids all around the world loved the show ,and bought the G1 toys! It was a phenomenon back then and it still is! Beast Machines,RID,Armada,Energon were the ones that were failures! Actually, RiD, Armada and Energon are succesful too! They have been making money for Hasbro. They're just not well received by most fans who still like either G1 or Beast Wars.

The only series that failed are G2 toywise, and Beast Machines as a series. Beast Machines just barely made a good profit. But it was enough to have Hasbro develop TransTech! Only TransTech was soon replaced by the idea to continue with G1 from where the cartoon series ended! Of course this was also soon halted and evolved into Armada.
If you take a good look at Armada, you can still see certain results of what they were planning for the G1 continuation! Mini-cons are actually the MicroMasters, the concept of Sideways was actually to be one of the new HeadMasters!

Edit: Oh, and Machine Wars failed as a toyline, but that was more due to the fact that they made that line too exclusive, and of course, they gave Optimus Prime a mouth!

[Raymond T.]

Double post again! :mad:

[SAJse]

Originally posted by boxerperson
You are aware the original G1 DID fail right? As soon as they strayed away from real life alt-modes, earth settings, and serious storylines.... Yeah, it sucked ass after they strayed away from Earth alt-modes/settings. Hopefully the live-action movie(s) will correct Hasbro's heroic attempts at being idiots.

[Blacknife]

Sort of ironic about the decision to go off topic in this topic. I suppose off topic chaos is allowed as well.
Anyway,
The molds had nothing to do with G1's death, in fact they lengthened TF's life out that little bit more.
If they had been responsible and no one liked them, they certainly wouldn't have lasted past their intial waves. We'd only see a lot of curiosities of prototypes that wouldn't have been used {Bludgeon as never used...remember, he was SECOND wave of Pretenders}.

The cartoon cancelled, so did the comics, and the majority of fans grew out of their hobby.
The internet & Beast Wars, brought a lot back. Whether it was to hate the "change" to the old guard, or herald a new era doesn't really matter.
RID sort of brigded the refocus back to metallic alt forms, with the beast forms still a presence.
Armada completely focused back on metallic alt forms and it has completely launched an unexpected era. That's why Hasbro was so ill prepared and virtually made every Armada toy a repaint.
With Energon, they know they have the market and they adjusted for it. Hence why we don't have as many repainted figures, but the demand is still high.
Anyway, I think the most hope for a straightforward cartoon movie is that if a movie theatre decides to play G1 episodes.

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by Blacknife
Sort of ironic about the decision to go off topic in this topic. I suppose off topic chaos is allowed as well.
Anyway,
The molds had nothing to do with G1's death, in fact they lengthened TF's life out that little bit more.
If they had been responsible and no one liked them, they certainly wouldn't have lasted past their intial waves. We'd only see a lot of curiosities of prototypes that wouldn't have been used {Bludgeon as never used...remember, he was SECOND wave of Pretenders}. I almost agree with you there. Transformers IS all about the molds! If the are not bought, then they won't hit the stores after a while.

The initial decision to stop the series was indeed not because of the toys. True that by that time Transformers was not hitting the high it initially had, but it was still a major player in Hasbro's budget!
The cartoon was stopped due to shifting of guards within both Hasbro and Sunbow. For some still unexplained reason, the budget given by Hasbro meant that Transformers had to be cut from the promotional stand in the shape of cartoons! The people now running the show wanted to move on to newer stuff.

The toys went on for several more years! Hasbro decided in '89 to go head to head with MircoMachines and they created MicroMasters, with the kicker line "The only Micro's that Transform". They were not really unsuccesful. Although sales did not drop, they didn't climb either as Hasbro had hoped!

Then Hasbro made a fatal mistake. In 1990, they continued with the MicroMaster line, but tried to back it with ActionMasters! They needed a new concept to catapult Transformers and the MicroMasters back into the spotlight. But Transformers that can't transform only hurt it. They quickly responded to the failing sales with more concentration back on the MicroMasters by making them combine, and have bases (like ActionMasters had) but by that time it was already too late. A second line of ActionMasters were planned, but never got released in the US. By the end of '91, the Transformers had left the US toy stores. The second wave of ActionMaster molds were sold to Hasbro UK, and there they were sold. But not with great response. The Transformers did continue in Europe from that point on, but they got back to TRANSFORMING Transformers.

In 1992 Hasbro UK started to make a profit again with Transformers, with all new molds that had not been seen in other parts of the world at that time. Hasbro US was intrigued by the profit their old toys had made. Due to some petty agreements between the two Hasbro's, the UK company could not use the old symbols for the Autobots and Decepticons and so they used whole new ones. Although these symbols differed from the originals, sales kept picking up!

Then Hasbro US made the decision. Fans had started an official Transformers convention to be held in 1993 called BotCon. Hasbro decided that this was the oppotunity to restart the Transformers line in America. Rumors started to fly about this new version called Generation 2! Fans were buzzing and waiting and hoping. As the announcement was made that at this BotCon they would reveil the new line.

From what I've heard, Hasbro made a big display to present their new toyline. However, the fans were not that pleased. What was presented as the first line of Generation 2 were repaints of all the old toys! After the hoopla Hasbro made, fans had hoped for alot more than repaints of Optimus, Jazz, Inferno and some mini-vehicles and Seekers! The only real newly designed character was Megatron.

The repaints did not sit well with fans, nore that the new cartoon was just a rehash with computer graphics of the old show! By the time Hasbro started to introduce the newer characters they had imported from the UK like the Obliterators and the colourchangers, it was already too late. Early 1995 the last G2 Transformers went over the counter.

Later that year Hasbro bought Tonka. And with it all the sister companies that it had. This included a smalltime company called Kenner. They showed interest in doing something with Transformers. Hasbro had closed the doors on Transformers by that time, but still held all the rights. Hasbro figured that if they extended their licence to Kenner they could still make money of the line that wasn't doing anything anyways at that time.

So a rather vague deal was made. Kenner got the licence to use Transformers, but for the use of other trademarks they had to pay Hasbro (which at that point had become their mother company) for the use of this. Kenner was still very smalltime, and couldn't ask the head company for the finance, since it was that very same company that was asking for payment!

So they got creative and created Transformers: Beast Wars! Autobots became Maximals, and the decepticons became predacons. They hinted that leaders were the old leaders from G1 to help promotion but never confirmed it so that they would have to pay a dime for the mention of any of the G1 Trademarks.

What no one expected to happen happened. Beast Wars was making a big profit! Within half a year Kenner had made enough profit to start asking for more permissions and bigger budgets to make larger toys like Gorilla Optimus Primal and T-Rex Megatron! The risk on Beast Wars was taken and it payed off! Within a year of the first Beast Wars toy (which was the Bat Primal vs croc Megatron) Beast Wars Transformers had catapulted itself into a place in the top 10 of best selling toys!

So what did Hasbro do? They took the licence away from Kenner and slapped their own brand on it again. (Not to mention that Hasbro is still claiming that they created Beast Wars and put Transformers back on the map.

Technically that is correct, since Kenner is a part of Hasbro! But it is still Kenner who really revived Transformers in '96.

Would that be good enough of an explaination / history lesson? :D

I may have missed a thing or two, but then, I was writing this from memory!

[Blacknife]

Actually, I think Action Master have a place, but they were entirely marketed the wrong way. What I always envisioned was a line of preTransformer Cybertronians, and basically the vehicles were what they had before the transformation cog was utilized in their own bodies. After all, it doesn't make sense to test out such a new technology on a live body first.
And, basically, I saw for some reason, something drastic made the Transformers go back to the really really really really ancient days. I see Nucleon as the basis for this, and I've got a story idea for it.
The more modern Cybertronians basically unburied these old war machines and reformatted them to the more current AM vehicles that we know.
I.e. Gutcrunchers vehicle was actually a regular military issue seeker jet before Decepticons became the seeker jet. He then reformatted it to transform into a battle station and a jet.

I do think Action Masters have a place, but it's the manner in which the idea is used that probably could have used a bit more work, explanation, and exploration.
IMHO.

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by Blacknife
Actually, I think Action Master have a place, but they were entirely marketed the wrong way. What I always envisioned was a line of preTransformer Cybertronians, and basically the vehicles were what they had before the transformation cog was utilized in their own bodies. After all, it doesn't make sense to test out such a new technology on a live body first.
And, basically, I saw for some reason, something drastic made the Transformers go back to the really really really really ancient days. I see Nucleon as the basis for this, and I've got a story idea for it.
The more modern Cybertronians basically unburied these old war machines and reformatted them to the more current AM vehicles that we know.
I.e. Gutcrunchers vehicle was actually a regular military issue seeker jet before Decepticons became the seeker jet. He then reformatted it to transform into a battle station and a jet.

I do think Action Masters have a place, but it's the manner in which the idea is used that probably could have used a bit more work, explanation, and exploration.
IMHO. ActionMaster as figures wasn't such a bad line! The big problem was that Hasbro tried to place them within the toy line. What they should have done is make the ActionMasters a seperate novelty line, similar to what we these days have in Heroes of Cybertron. If they sold it like that, it could have become a hit! But they tried to sell it as a Transformer. With that concept in mind it was for most people like they were buying something they knew was broken, so they didn't bother with it.

I was never one of those. In fact I have most of the Action Masters! But I see them more like a Anime correct novelty, rather than something that was part of the figure's storyline!

[Wonkimus_Major]

I'll argue one thing:


The repaints did not sit well with fans, nore that the new cartoon was just a rehash with computer graphics of the old show! By the time Hasbro started to introduce the newer characters they had imported from the UK like the Obliterators and the colourchangers, it was already too late. Early 1995 the last G2 Transformers went over the counter.

Later that year Hasbro bought Tonka. And with it all the sister companies that it had. This included a smalltime company called Kenner. They showed interest in doing something with Transformers. Hasbro had closed the doors on Transformers by that time, but still held all the rights. Hasbro figured that if they extended their licence to Kenner they could still make money of the line that wasn't doing anything anyways at that time.

----------------------------

Hasbro must've bought Tonka before G2 finished. Remember, there was a G2 bot named Gobots, as well as the Gobots (later Spychangers) subline.

[The Diesel]

Originally posted by Raymond T.
Well, that's the whole point! In the cartoons there was no Cybertronian god. In fact, the series even asked the question if there ARE any gods!

I never liked the idea of the Transformers having a god or religion. I did always like the writing of Simon Furman, but the idea to give Transformers a God to believe in is not one I really shared with him. It's a means to make Transformers more human, but they are NOT human! THAT is the thing most of us like about these Cybertronians. Trying to make them more like us is just a huge mistake. (Not that I believe in any god myself, but still...)

Of course the Mega-Mistake ever made in any universe was Beast Machines turning Transformers into these Trans-organice crap. And to top it off, make Cybertron organic in the end of it. Don't get me started about those ...ack-spit-patuwee... Sparks Larry DiTillio dreamed up for Beast Wars. He disliked the idea of Mechanical Intelligent lifeforms so much that he tried anything to make them into anything but robots! :mad:

The idea that the Quintessons created the Transformers was just so hasbro could use characters from the movie in the cartoon. And it was a lame idea. The reason you're against the whole Primus thing is probably the fact that you don't believe in God. Anyway, whatever, I just don't want that whole cheesy-ass created by the Quintessons. You don't have to have Primus or whatever. Just don't do the Quintesson thing. Hell, you don't have to explain how they were created in this movie. You just know that mechanical life existed on the planet Cybertron.

[bassbot]

hey, i really didn't mind the whole Primus vs Unicron idea.
raymond, if you didn't go for primus. what's your thoughts on unicron?

i didn't mind the quintessons, not as creators, but as enslavers.

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by Wonkimus_Major
Hasbro must've bought Tonka before G2 finished. Remember, there was a G2 bot named Gobots, as well as the Gobots (later Spychangers) subline. Hmmm... Yep! You got me there! Hasbro did buy Tonka at least early on into the G2 line. Although it may have take a while for them to take complete control over the company and its sister companies

In my defense again, I was writing the whole text from memory only. If I had taken the time to get my resources out, it would have jogged that part of my memory for sure.

Thanks for keeping a eye out Wonkimus! ;)

Originally posted by bassbot
hey, i really didn't mind the whole Primus vs Unicron idea.
raymond, if you didn't go for primus. what's your thoughts on unicron?

i didn't mind the quintessons, not as creators, but as enslavers. Unicron is the evil of all evil... He is THE bad of ALL bad guys. I thought that Unicron had always been a great character. Blessed with amazing powers and an attitude that makes Stone Cold Steve Austin at his worst look like a Care Bear cousin! (Sorry WWE/WWF and 80's fan)
I tend to ignore that in the cartoon Unicron was made by a little monkey. :mad:
But the character was a great story builder that can still hold grounds. An amazing fact that Unicron (before Armada started) was probably the most popular cartoon character of the Transformers that appeared throughout Transformers history, even in the Beasts series, but had at that point had the least screen time of all the more popular charaters, totalled at not even 25 minutes!
I very much like the idea for Unicron, but not to be put in this movie. Unicron was an amazing vehicle to carry the original movie without the main-stays that were all killed in the first 20 minutes of the movie! I would really LOVE to see a really live version of Unicron making his way through the universe.

BUT... Introducing Unicron in this movie would most certainly kill it. It is just a very bad strategy to use the vehicle of a previous, basically seperate production to build this movie on. It worked in '86 because we already had a very good perception of what the Transformers were. In this movie you don't have that luxery. If this movie is to have any chance of to succeed, we must build it up from scratch. Build all the characters we fans know, and present them in an introductory light again.
The story should base itself again on the real Transformers again. And answer different kinds of questions.
Not, who should they fight, what will they do next, how can the evolve... But WHY do they fight, who do they fight, what is their stake in this war...

Use the fact that BlueStreak maybe out for revenge, after the Decepticons destroyed his town and killed all the Cybertronians he loved. Use the fact that Huffer is fighting the fight to fight the emptyness inside him, that he is homesick for his old home. Give some new facts that both Transfans and Moviefans hadn't seen before but can both appreciate as being part of the story.

Maybe what I had proposed earlier in another tread. Explain WHY Optimus is wearing a face mask! And then perhaps using David Wise's original proposal of Orion Pax' death scene in War Dawn.
In the original proposal, Megatron didn't just shoot Orion in the chest. He made the young autobot beg for mercy, then Megatron ripped one of Orion's own arms off and followed that by decapitating Pax, by knock his head off his chest using his own arm as a baseball club
The story could go that as Orion Prime's lower jaw got irrepairably destroyed, and not had to use the face plate to cover his jaw and be able to speak, or something.

Back to the question, I love to hate Unicron. But there is no place for him in this movie. If, what fans hope, there does come sequals to this movie, then I would certainly like to see him at a later date.
It took X-Men two movies before the Phoenix to appear in a third one. And still there are fans who believe that it was too soon to hint at here in the closing scene of X-men II. So, it is the case for Transformers as Unicron.
Although if they do use him at that point, I do hope they will go with the G2 concept of Simon Furman, who had intended to show that Unicron was the spawn of an even greater evil in the shape of a non-transformer being called Leige Maximo!

[boxerperson]

I like how this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the original post. I bet Don gets a kick out of us crazy fanboys who hijack everything and end up debating random TF trivia no matter the topic :D

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by boxerperson
I like how this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the original post. I bet Don gets a kick out of us crazy fanboys who hijack everything and end up debating random TF trivia no matter the topic :D I like to think of it that we HAVEN'T strayed from the initial post here!
The initial post was about how we are supposed to act. With the appologies out of the way :o records set straight, we are now giving an example of how we should act with each other!
Fans helping each other, giving advice and sharing information (that might even help this movie, which is what this entire forum is supposed to be about)! :)
Of course it is always good to show that I can also share my vast Transformers knowledge with people and show that I truely AM the #1 Trans-fanatic! :D

[boxerperson]

All this and humble too.

[Wonkimus_Major]

BUMP

Just in case anyone forgot about this.

[bassbot]

hey raymond, yeah i agree that it would be a huge mistake to use Unicron in the movie.
i believe there is a lot of potential in the characters and possible stories that a few movies could take without introducing the Chaos Bringer!!!

I recently got g1 mtmte #8 (late i know).. but just wanted to note that i like how any reference to Primus is always as mythology. the word religion never appears (in my reading - including earlier comics) . I know there are many links to religion and stuff... but it seems as though they tried to avoid it while giving the Transformers a deep but ultimately lost past.

[yamis]

wow, i did forget about this.

dont include unicron as part of the first movie's story, it would be way too overwhelming.

[SAJse]

I forgot about this thread. It's as equally crap now as the first time I saw it. :eek: ;)

Will someone please buy me a drink. And no Martini/Gin crap. Beer. A man's drink..

[megs4ever]

Samuel Adams. The best beer around. Oh wait! Wasn't he one of the people responsible for breaking the colonies away from the queen mum?;) Sorry SAJse. By the way. Do you guy's drink your beer warm, or is that Ireland?

[SAJse]

Uuurg! I'm not sure where you're thinking of but I never drink warm beer (unless it's the only option). If I buy warm beer in cans, then I will give them a quick blast in the freezer.

If I bought warm beer in a pub, then I would (politely) smash a stool over the student's head and ask for a chilled one. ;)

[megs4ever]

I know i have heard that somewhere about warn beer being popular in europe. Oh well. By the way SAJse, always drink beer in the bottle not from the can. ;) Samuel Smith's or John Courage perhaps!

[svenof9]

Don: you read everything? Oh god, you must think I am a raving lunatic...

:)

[Raymond T.]

Originally posted by svenof9
Don: you read everything? Oh god, you must think I am a raving lunatic...

:) We all think that! :p

[svenof9]

Originally posted by Raymond T.
We all think that! :p

You think its bad on here, you should read some of my other work :)

[illvox2]

Originally posted by Danbei
I think Unicron has to go into the same diet plan as Fat Optimus! Unicron been munching on too many planets since then! I guess it's best if Unicron gets more time to prepare! That way he sheds more pounds! Grimlock refering to Unicron arse: "Me Grimlock, kick butt!"

This is one of your best, Danny! Agreed...

[yamis]

wow, i always had danbei pegged as a g1 purist, yet hes trashing unicron? how absurd! its like dubya thinking hes not goin anywhere for the next 4 years.

[yamis]

wow, dan was jokin for once!

holy crap, it sounded just like you always do, sorry i got it confused

[sppower]

Originally posted by Danbei
Dubya doesn't know where his head is at! Did you saw the debate the other day? The guy murmured almost through the whole entire dabate! He even echoed the stuff that Kerry said before! And yes Dubya also mentioned Poland! Poland has nothing to do with the Russia issue! And also the terrorism issues that are going on the middleeast! Dubya had Osama cornered in an Afghanistan mountian cave! And he let him go! To pursue the rich oil wells in Iraq! Sacrificing U.S. soldiers lives for just oil! Thousands of them dying! While Osama and the terrorist get more time to plan more attacks! Also capable of getting there hands on them Russian nuclear missles! God forbid if they do! The world isn't safe with Bush! We can't afford another 4 years of Bushism! Kerry and the democrats have a plan ,and I know theirs is effective! Bush and his Republican administration doesn't even have one! I know where I stand and I hope you do too! And damn it I'm a G1 purist and I would love this movie to be done right!

Well, Danbei likes Kerry so I'm going for Bush;) (And for the slower of you I will say "just kidding!")

i agree with you Danbei. Get Bush out of there! With that little G1 remark at the end it reminds me of a commercial for Walmart, that I heard on the loudspeaker in a Walmart (Why the hell would you advertise your store to people who are already shopping there?!):

Basically this war veteran voice came on and rambled on about america the beautiful for five minutes and told us about his new book dedicated to the soldiers. The he closed with "God bless America and thank you for shopping at Walmart" Which was the only mention of the store in the whole commercial. The thing is he never told us his name or the name of his book!

[slang73]

Originally posted by sppower
Well, Danbei likes Kerry so I'm going for Bush;) (And for the slower of you I will say "just kidding!")

i agree with you Danbei. Get Bush out of there! With that little G1 remark at the end it reminds me of a commercial for Walmart, that I heard on the loudspeaker in a Walmart (Why the hell would you advertise your store to people who are already shopping there?!):

Basically this war veteran voice came on and rambled on about america the beautiful for five minutes and told us about his new book dedicated to the soldiers. The he closed with "God bless America and thank you for shopping at Walmart" Which was the only mention of the store in the whole commercial. The thing is he never told us his name or the name of his book!

Boycott Wal-mart unless you are for supporting the Chinese economy. (No offense to Chinese Americans.)

[yamis]

heh, me and some friends found this 24 hour wal-mart and terrorized the place. it was great.

for once i agree with danbei! bush must go! he doesnt know left from right! put in someone who knows what hes doing! i know im imitating danbei right now! but you know what?! its fun! ah-hahaha!

[Salt_Shaker]

Originally posted by slang73
Boycott Wal-mart unless you are for supporting the Chinese economy. (No offense to Chinese Americans.)


IT ALSO JUST PLAIN SUCKS LOL.


the employees too.

[boxerperson]

I'm also in favor of getting rid of Bush (look at my signature!)

Kerry is a drip though, I don't particularly want either of them. But I'll vote democrat just to get Bush out of there.

[megs4ever]

Let me say this. Being originally from mass. You guy's really do not know what you are asking for with respect to kerry! Bush may have his problems and faults. Totally agree with that. But the lesser of two evils?!:(

[Wonkimus_Major]

Originally posted by megs4ever
Let me say this. Being originally from mass. You guy's really do not know what you are asking for with respect to kerry! Bush may have his problems and faults. Totally agree with that. But the lesser of two evils?!:(

Not a Kerry lover (also from MA!) but I can't imagine anything more horrible than Bush. Question: does anyone on this board actually support Bush and think he's doing a good job? Seems Transfans are pretty a liberal bunch. Maybe we have to go to the guns and ammo forum for the Bush fans.

[megs4ever]

cocked and loaded baby!;)

[sppower]

Originally posted by Wonkimus_Major
Not a Kerry lover (also from MA!) but I can't imagine anything more horrible than Bush. Question: does anyone on this board actually support Bush and think he's doing a good job? Seems Transfans are pretty a liberal bunch. Maybe we have to go to the guns and ammo forum for the Bush fans.

That's an awsome Idea! We could ge organized and suddenly show there! Then we could just storm the place led by Danbei and Blippertron, will be rambling about pooping on BUsh in the pee pond. Yes.

[COR]

It's because liberals tend to be louder and more outspoken than conservatives.

But for the record I'm with megs, even if you don't like Mr. Bush (and there's alot of ppl here that seem not to), Kerry is going to be alot worse. The guy's wife supports giving half the country back to Mexico for goodness sake!!

So yeah I'm a Bush supporter. I'm not going to get into any flame wars about it because I am above that. I normally don't mix politics with 'fun' because conversations about politics polarize people faster than any other topic (even religion), but I do get tired of the snide comments about people with conservative mindsets being 'backwoods hicks' and 'at gun shows' or whatnot.

I'm not saying the man is perfect either, but in this case he is definitely a whole lot better than the alternative.

[Wonkimus_Major]

Originally posted by COR
It's because liberals tend to be louder and more outspoken than conservatives.


I normally don't mix politics with 'fun' because conversations about politics polarize people faster than any other topic (even religion), but I do get tired of the snide comments about people with conservative mindsets being 'backwoods hicks' and 'at gun shows' or whatnot.



What about Rush, O'Reilly, etc?

BTW sorry about the gun comment.

[SAJse]

Originally posted by Wonkimus_Major
Not a Kerry lover (also from MA!) but I can't imagine anything more horrible than Bush. Question: does anyone on this board actually support Bush and think he's doing a good job? Seems Transfans are pretty a liberal bunch. Maybe we have to go to the guns and ammo forum for the Bush fans.
I'm not liberal at all, but I think Bush is complete tool. How can an idiot like that run a country of America's size. It's laughable. they have a population of 270 odd million. Think of how many intelligent people there must be there. How did a fool like Bush get into power?

It's all about who you know, and how much money you have. Not very democratic if you ask me.

[ks68]

Originally posted by COR
It's because liberals tend to be louder and more outspoken than conservatives.

But for the record I'm with megs, even if you don't like Mr. Bush (and there's alot of ppl here that seem not to), Kerry is going to be alot worse. The guy's wife supports giving half the country back to Mexico for goodness sake!!

So yeah I'm a Bush supporter. I'm not going to get into any flame wars about it because I am above that. I normally don't mix politics with 'fun' because conversations about politics polarize people faster than any other topic (even religion), but I do get tired of the snide comments about people with conservative mindsets being 'backwoods hicks' and 'at gun shows' or whatnot.

I'm not saying the man is perfect either, but in this case he is definitely a whole lot better than the alternative.

About giving half the country back to Mexico, that's a very scary thought indeed. I wonder if she (Teresa Heinz Kerry) would like having all of Massachusetts given back to the American Indians (Iroquois, Seneca, Mohawk, etc.). Surely she would change her tune.

If Kerry was president at the time of the 9/11/01 attacks, we'd still be waiting for the UN's permission to go after the bastards. At least Bush has the guts to go after them. Nobody said that the war was going to be easy.

I know that Kerry hates the NRA and the 2nd Amendment with a passion. Yes, I'm a member of the NRA and I do firmly believe that it's a God-given right for all American citizens to keep and bear arms. He feels that ordinary people should not be allowed to own firearms to protect their loved ones.

Kerry has also supported NAFTA(North American Free Trade Agreement), which has sent a lot of good American jobs to Mexico, and GATT(General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade), which has basically killed the textile industry in the USA and sent good jobs to sweatshops in Guatamala and elsewhere.

Bush is not all that great, but he's the lesser of the two evils.

[Wonkimus_Major]

Maybe because of the right to bear arms that Megs sould be a gun...

[COR]

Originally posted by Wonkimus_Major
Maybe because of the right to bear arms that Megs sould be a gun...

lol

That reminds me. On a much lighter note, everyone should click on the following link...

The Cybertron Enquirer (http://www.ninjapea.co.uk/coverspage.html)

I promise it has nothing to do with politics (well... almost nothing :) )

But there is something in there that Wonky's statement above reminded me of.

[megs4ever]

Wonky. You a red sox fan?

[SAJse]

Originally posted by ks68
Kerry has also supported NAFTA(North American Free Trade Agreement), which has sent a lot of good American jobs to Mexico, and GATT(General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade), which has basically killed the textile industry in the USA and sent good jobs to sweatshops in Guatamala and elsewhere.

Bush is not all that great, but he's the lesser of the two evils.
What makes you think Bush doesn't support NAFTA?

[ks68]

Originally posted by SAJse
What makes you think Bush doesn't support NAFTA?

I know that Bush supports NAFTA. I never said that Bush was great. To be honest, neither Bush or Kerry are good. They're both jerks!

[ks68]

Here's an idea:

Vote Optimus Prime for President! Ironhide can be his running mate.:p ;)

It can be a write-in vote.

I'm sure that even Danbei agrees with this idea.

[SAJse]

I think Prime would make a good Pres'. ;)
Originally posted by ks68
I know that Bush supports NAFTA. I never said that Bush was great. To be honest, neither Bush or Kerry are good. They're both jerks!
True. I think Edwards is the only shining light in the whole thing. Maybe Kerry will win, then have an unfortunate "accident" which lays him up for say...... 4 years. ;)

[COR]

Originally posted by SAJse


True. I think Edwards is the only shining light in the whole thing. Maybe Kerry will win, then have an unfortunate "accident" which lays him up for say...... 4 years. ;)

Well...

I'm not a native to North Carolina, but I've heard from people here that have been burned by Edwards badly during his trial lawyer days. I'm speaking of people that were his clients.

[Wonkimus_Major]

Once I actually was going to vote for Prime! I even made a t-shirt that said "Optimus Prime for president" and wore it to the polls.

Sadly, I'd registered to vote a couple of days too late...

This was the electon of Clinton vs. Bob Dole.

[yamis]

VOTE NADER!

[COR]

Seriously though everyone needs to read this:

The Cybertron Enquirer (http://www.ninjapea.co.uk/coverspage.html)

Some of the funniest stuff I ever read!!

[yamis]

ah, the plight of skids.

poor feller.....

[illvox2]

Now, I thought I saw a very big cassette player at Gary Newman's concert :D

[SAJse]

Originally posted by COR
Seriously though everyone needs to read this:

The Cybertron Enquirer (http://www.ninjapea.co.uk/coverspage.html)

Some of the funniest stuff I ever read!!
I recently posted this in the off-topic thread. Can you remember what website gave you this pop-up? I'm almost 100% certain that I wasn't browsing anything to do with Transformers. :confused:

[yamis]

i have to admit, reading those was the funniest thing i had seen in a long time. it took me all my strength to keep from rolling on the floor laughing. are ther any others like them?

[COR]

Originally posted by SAJse
I recently posted this in the off-topic thread. Can you remember what website gave you this pop-up? I'm almost 100% certain that I wasn't browsing anything to do with Transformers. :confused:

I got the link from someone who posted it on the Dreamwave message boards.

[SAJse]

Originally posted by COR
I got the link from someone who posted it on the Dreamwave message boards.
Aaaarg! It eludes me again. This'll have cult status if the site isn't found soon.

If you get the chance, ask him/her. If they say "I don't know", I'm gonna cry.

[yamis]

life's just not fair, eh saj?

[SAJse]

Originally posted by yamis
life's just not fair, eh saj?
Life is neither fair, nor unfair. Vulcan logic disdains both philosophies.

Tuvok out. ;)

[yamis]

screw the vulcans.

life sucks, then you die. have fun!


dont slag me for being a little pessimistic about life. things look better if you dont expect a lot.

[SAJse]

Well if you live in a fort, sooner or later someone will take a cannon to your ass. You surely can't be the pessimist you claim to be. ;)

[yamis]

not all the time. im just pessimistic when im hungry.

after i eat, then its like im on drugs. especially if its a nice, big plate of spaghetti, or bbq chicken, or.....i could elaborate, but now im really hungry!

[sppower]

Originally posted by Danbei
Don't overeat yourself now! You don't want to end up looking like Blippertron's disgraced Fat Optimus now! Why don't you fix yourself a dietary creamy milkshake in your special blender! It helps you calm down your hunger! It sure works better than a Snickers! :D

Has anybody noticed how this is the "Board Behavior" thread? :D It just seems really ironic to me that we've taken it so far off topic. :)

[yamis]

thats what happens when we dont really have a lot of updates to work with. we just go on with what we have.

does danbei think im a lardass or something when i mentioned im hungry? hes got some wierd logic.

[JesterJJZ]

Originally posted by Don Murphy


Wonkimus Prime who is easlity upset with post after post? He doesn't work for me.



:D

[y2jas]

I love the way some people wilt in the presence of Don, like little puppies. He can tame the fiercest of Lions into a small cub. lol :D

[Angelophile]

I think that may have changed in the two years since this thread was started. ;)

[tigtog]

Originally posted by Wonkimus_Major
Ahhh....I hear ya. No prob. I'll control my trigger finger with the "report to administrator" button! For some reason I thought you were pissed of about the sarcastic comments I make on the board from time to time, usually to the ones who insult me or say they'll kill a kitten if Soundwave isn't a 1980's tape deck.

BTW thanks for clearing everying up with the IMDB board nonsense.

hmm id like to see soundwave as his original form but ......... id also love to see him updated. and his minions.

but still you have that problem of size as from what i read a while ago hasbro want him as a musical devise so that he can release ravage.
so unless you want a bot thats 4 and a half feet tall that gets its head knocked of threw the film by a girl then some sort of mass shiffting has to happen

[Mister Gone]

Originally posted by y2jas
I love the way some people wilt in the presence of Don, like little puppies. He can tame the fiercest of Lions into a small cub. lol :D I just noticed that too! Everyone is falling all over themselves to apologize, like a kid with his hand in the cookie jar. Just say "Okay Don, I wear what you're knitting." and all is well, jeez. :)

[Optimal-T]

Originally posted by Don Murphy
The idea here is to have fans have a venue to try at least to communicate their thoughts with the filmmakers. We want to respect the fans and the property while attracting millions more people who want to just see a fun film.

And we look forward to seeing your work Don.

Originally posted by Don Murphy
As such, the guy who is telling you how to behave on the board- he doesn't do it with my permission.

Duely noted.

Originally posted by Don Murphy
Wonkimus Prime who is easlity upset with post after post? He doesn't work for me.

Duely noted.

Originally posted by Don Murphy
Those two guys from Seibertron creaming each other- Redstreak and Raymond T? That's their thing, not mine.

Yeah I see that too.

Originally posted by Don Murphy
I believe in every person's God given right to make an asshole of themselves. If you want to do it here, fine. We just won't read your shit. And everyone else will see you are a jerk. No matter.

Good idea Don.

Originally posted by Don Murphy
The forum is to allow communication between the people making the film and the fans.

And some of us appreciate what you do for this board Don.

Originally posted by Don Murphy
I won't post on here often- I'm busy.

Yes we know that you're busy Don. There's no need to point that out.


Originally posted by Don Murphy
But we don't look at the lame IMDB board- we don't believe anything Harry Knowles and his team say- and we don't know what the hell a CHUD is.

That's okay Don. Some of us don't even know what the hell a CHUD is either.

Originally posted by Don Murphy
Behave as if you were in my office. Show my board the respect I am trying to show you.

Yes. What a novel idea.

Originally posted by Don Murphy
And if not- fine. It's just an extra click to skip your nonsense.

Okay Don.:D

[Jetplague]

Originally posted by Don Murphy

Behave as if you were in my office.

See now...many have just visualized that....and become overly giddy at the mere thought. To hang with the Main Stooge is their life long ambition. (Other then scoring with Arcee that is...)

[JesterJJZ]

Originally posted by Jetplague
See now...many have just visualized that....and become overly giddy at the mere thought. To hang with the Main Stooge is their life long ambition. (Other then scoring with Arcee that is...)


He He He....:D

[Cosmos]

If any of this makes anything clear to me, its that Don Murphy is heralded as the voice of a prophet among Transformers fans...

We analyze and interpret his every word... who do you belong to....the "Don means this" denomination, or the "Don really said this, but meant that" denomination?

Some of those apologies are crazy... guys he's just a man. Sure he's a man with God like powers and he can levitate, but I can do that if I try hard enough! Sheesh!

He's a geek like us. He's on the level, and he respects us... and that is all - that's refreshing, but easy to lose sight of sometimes.

Hmmm.

[slugslinger71]

I know i may be the new stooge on the board but i would like to offer my comment on this matter...

I know first hand the effects of things getting out of hand, i have been in movie chatrooms,boards etc and i have seen some of my favorate places reduced to the big 404 ERROR page when i go there and i dont want this to happen here (not that it would im sure) there is a really informative group of people here some i follow some i do not and some i havent had the pleasure to read as of yet...i came here when i found out about this movie hoping to gain insite on the development of it cause im such a fan of all things transformers, i know its not a perfect world where all things are rosey, but i also know that , other then the ones in heated debate, that if it doesnt concern us we shouldnt have to bare witness to it...i beg of all heated debates from now on be takin into PM so the rest of us can enjoy this board for all it represents, and not be driven away from the things we like reading about...or see a great thread deleated cuz of it.

[pombe]

Time Warp!

[Tuffcub]

Originally posted by y2jas
I love the way some people wilt in the presence of Don, like little puppies. He can tame the fiercest of Lions into a small cub. lol :D

Oi, thats Cub-ist. Some of us Cubs are pretty big y'know.:D

[SAJse]

Originally posted by pombe
Time Warp!
I don't think anyone's noticed...

[Goreshade]

Everyone should vote for Zod

[TastyCrisp]

Awwww I remember this thread as if it was yesterday! :)